Refutation of Ubi Petrus
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(04-01-2021, 02:48 AM)StJosephPrayForUs Wrote:
(04-01-2021, 02:18 AM)Justin Tertius Wrote: I follow Lofton and Ybarra as well. I have not really followed too much their debates with Ubi Petrus, though I think they have had some negative interactions in the past.

If you are looking for a refutation of Ubi Petrus as a person, and all of his apologetics, that is something I doubt anyone on this page is going to be able to provide. If, however, you can give us an example of an argument that you have heard from Ubi, then maybe someone who is active on the forum who is knowledgeable can interact with it.


Eh, there's too much to get into.  The dude has been doing his work for awhile now.  Youtube videos that run 2-3 hours long, articles that are very lengthy, etc.  Too much to unpack point by point.  I just figured since Ubi seems to be going through Catholic apologists like a knife through butter, that somewhere out there in the Catholic sphere, a solid and organized refutation of Ubi and his works was done.  It might just be that he is still too unknown to get noticed by the more well known apologists.  When I burned out on Catholicism a few years ago, I spent a couple years not practicing.  During that time, I began looking into Orthodoxy.  I found myself predisposed to their arguments since I had an axe to grind with Rome.  Eventually, I found my way back to the Church.  But I am still feeling the effects of the apologetics I guess.  I can't help but struggle with accepting the papacy as I once did.  I don't believe it is heretical or false, like the Orthodox do.  But I also don't accept that the papacy is absolutely necessary for salvation.  And that also goes with dogmas like infallibility, universal jurisdiction, etc.  I could care less about the filioque and purgatory since those are non issues in my eyes.  But after seeing how the East operates (including the Eastern Catholic Churches), coming back to Rome and encountering this absolutist mindset of "You MUST submit to the Bishop of Rome, or you will burn in Hell for all eternity" is problematic.  It paints such a stark contrast with the loving God one encounters in the East (speaking more of Eastern Catholicism than Eastern Orthodoxy here).  I mean, it might make sense for me to just become an Eastern Catholic.  But my wife is pretty dead set on staying Roman.  And I don't have anything against Rome anymore.  I am just struggling to accept her positions on a lot of things.  And what makes it more difficult is seeing how many Eastern Catholics have a similar mindset.  It seems that the only ones saying "What Rome says goes, and that's that" are Roman Catholics themselves.  And even then, it's typically the traditional Catholics.  The majority of the Roman world seems to have moved on from that kind of thinking, for better or worse.  I just find myself not knowing what to believe anymore.

That's interesting.  I've assumed that the focus on the loving nature of God I've experienced was an Eastern thing, not an Eastern Catholic thing.  Did you experience this to a lesser degree in Orthodoxy?  If so, I'm also wondering if there is a difference in emphasis on this between the Slavic and Mediterranean practices within Orthodoxy.
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Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by StJosephPrayForUs - 03-31-2021, 10:01 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by jovan66102 - 03-31-2021, 10:10 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by jovan66102 - 03-31-2021, 10:14 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 03-31-2021, 10:52 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Justin Tertius - 04-01-2021, 02:18 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Melkite - 04-01-2021, 09:47 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Justin Tertius - 04-01-2021, 11:18 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Justin Tertius - 04-01-2021, 11:41 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 04-01-2021, 01:20 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Justin Tertius - 04-01-2021, 01:58 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Justin Tertius - 04-01-2021, 11:16 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 04-01-2021, 01:06 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Melkite - 04-01-2021, 02:03 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 04-01-2021, 02:46 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by jovan66102 - 04-01-2021, 04:37 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Augustinian - 04-01-2021, 06:48 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by jovan66102 - 04-01-2021, 06:58 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 04-01-2021, 08:26 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Filiolus - 04-01-2021, 10:18 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Augustinian - 04-01-2021, 10:26 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 04-02-2021, 06:29 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Paul - 04-01-2021, 10:02 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Echo - 04-07-2021, 09:40 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by XavierSem - 04-01-2021, 04:39 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Filiolus - 04-01-2021, 10:59 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by XavierSem - 04-02-2021, 07:47 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Echo - 04-07-2021, 08:51 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Some Guy - 07-02-2021, 09:02 PM



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