Refutation of Ubi Petrus
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(04-01-2021, 06:42 PM)StJosephPrayForUs Wrote:
(04-01-2021, 04:37 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(04-01-2021, 04:11 PM)StJosephPrayForUs Wrote: Or Vatican II is just the beginning of God purifying His church from the errors of raising the papacy above God?

If you believe that, I have to ask in all seriousness, why you are on a Traditionalist forum where the vast majority of members believe that Vatican II was an unmitigated disaster for the Church?

Jovan there's nothing wrong with believing Vatican II was a disaster in it's design and/or implementation.  Some members on here go entirely too far in calling Vatican II and the Roman Church after Vatican II the "anti-church" as though their private interpretation of tradition is part of the remnant/faithful/true church.  It's patently absurd, but it's a prevailing point of view on traditional websites and forums.

As to the other user who asked why I'm here, with my difficulty in accepting the papal claims.  It's because I want to get the other side.  I am not fully convinced of Orthodoxy's attacks against the papacy and am also not fully convinced of Rome's papal claims.  I had only really known them at a nominal level.  I figured if I could sort through the toxic users on here, I could find the solid traditional Catholics who could make a case for it, and other things.

What I'm getting from this is that you want to find people who will affirm you in your errors, rather than show you why you're in error in the first place. If that's the case, then you're in the wrong forum.
"The Heart of Jesus is closer to you when you suffer, than when you are full of joy." - St. Margaret Mary Alacoque

Put not your trust in princes: In the children of men, in whom there is no salvation. - Ps. 145:2-3

"For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables." - 2 Timothy 4:3-4
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Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by StJosephPrayForUs - 03-31-2021, 10:01 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by jovan66102 - 03-31-2021, 10:10 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by jovan66102 - 03-31-2021, 10:14 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 03-31-2021, 10:52 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Justin Tertius - 04-01-2021, 02:18 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Melkite - 04-01-2021, 09:47 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Justin Tertius - 04-01-2021, 11:18 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Justin Tertius - 04-01-2021, 11:41 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 04-01-2021, 01:20 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Justin Tertius - 04-01-2021, 01:58 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Justin Tertius - 04-01-2021, 11:16 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 04-01-2021, 01:06 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Melkite - 04-01-2021, 02:03 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 04-01-2021, 02:46 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by jovan66102 - 04-01-2021, 04:37 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Augustinian - 04-01-2021, 06:48 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by jovan66102 - 04-01-2021, 06:58 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 04-01-2021, 08:26 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Filiolus - 04-01-2021, 10:18 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Augustinian - 04-01-2021, 10:26 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by SeekerofChrist - 04-02-2021, 06:29 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Paul - 04-01-2021, 10:02 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Echo - 04-07-2021, 09:40 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by XavierSem - 04-01-2021, 04:39 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Filiolus - 04-01-2021, 10:59 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by XavierSem - 04-02-2021, 07:47 AM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Echo - 04-07-2021, 08:51 PM
RE: Refutation of Ubi Petrus - by Some Guy - 07-02-2021, 09:02 PM



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