Can converts receive the Sacrament of Confession?
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(04-13-2021, 07:06 PM)ChairmanJoeAintMyPresident Wrote:
(04-13-2021, 06:41 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote: I know of plenty of SSPX priests who have serious doubts about various of the new rites of the Sacraments as performed, not in themselves.

That is a good distinction.

Is it acceptable for a priest to advise lay Catholics that, if the Novus Ordo is the only Mass available, they should stay home and substitute an appropriate amount of prayer and scripture readings instead of attending that Novus Ordo Mass?

I'm not asking this question as a "gotcha".  I believe that even a reverent, ad orientem Novus Ordo has some issues, but I always figured it was better to go than not to go, and I'm wondering what reasoning justifies the position.

I think you will find lots of opinions here on that, so perhaps a different thread is better, but it has been discussed at length here before. Some of us think it is fine, some would object. That's usually where it all ends, and we draw a stalemate.

It is the SSPX official position that one should avoid the Novus Ordo even if it be the only Mass accessible because it presents a possible and proximate danger to the Faith in most cases. Again, that does not consider specific instances where it might rarely be made so orthodox by the celebrating priest that this danger is no longer present. The merits of that position, though, I think ought to be discussed in a different thread.
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(04-13-2021, 06:14 PM)Little Fish Wrote: Marmot, if only one could so easily know the hour of one's death... or not. Maybe not something that would actually be beneficial knowing, especially for the procrastinators among us. Best that they always have death before their eyes.

Momento Mori, remember death. Always a good mentality to have. Not to revel in death or fear it, but accept it and remember that eventually we will die and meet our judgment.
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(04-13-2021, 07:06 PM)ChairmanJoeAintMyPresident Wrote: That is a good distinction.

Is it acceptable for a priest to advise lay Catholics that, if the Novus Ordo is the only Mass available, they should stay home and substitute an appropriate amount of prayer and scripture readings instead of attending that Novus Ordo Mass?
An SSPX priest I talked to said that he advised the faithful to go the NO Mass said by a particular priest he knew to say it well, if the old Mass is unavailable. Relations between SSPX and ED priests here are very good.

The only time I would "stay at home" is if I had reason to believe the Mass would be said in an irreverent way. This has rarely happened to me except when I've been to England or Belgium.
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(04-15-2021, 08:41 AM)Marmot Wrote: The only time I would "stay at home" is if I had reason to believe the Mass would be said in an irreverent way.

Depends on the calibration of your reverence meter. It also depends on whether it's just you or you plus young minds in tow.
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(04-15-2021, 09:54 AM)ChairmanJoeAintMyPresident Wrote:
(04-15-2021, 08:41 AM)Marmot Wrote: The only time I would "stay at home" is if I had reason to believe the Mass would be said in an irreverent way.

Depends on the calibration of your reverence meter.  It also depends on whether it's just you or you plus young minds in tow.
When I said "said in an irreverent way" I meant things like deviating from what's in the missal, treating the Eucharist like common bread, neglecting to wear vestments etc. Also I think there are times when I wouldn't want to take my children to Mass because the laity act like they're in their living room.
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