R&R discussion
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(04-28-2021, 05:06 PM)MacPasquale Wrote:
(04-28-2021, 04:41 PM)Memories_in_Rain Wrote: I mean, I wouldn’t exactly say that the Novus Ordo and the Second Vatican Council are the pinnacles of tradition... 

And where the Eastern Orthodox disagree because they want to maintain their heresy, we disagree because we want to maintain the Catholic Faith of the pre-conciliar Church, strengthened continually by Tradition.
The Orthodox can say Latin liturgies in 2nd millennium(lacking an epiklesis and inserting the filioque) and the post-schism councils aren't pinnacles of tradition.  


The Orthodox see themselves as preserving the catholic faith of the pre-schism church, strengthened continually by Tradition.

At least they don't(with the exception of some groups) see all those in positions of authority as having dragged their entire church into heresy.
Yeah but they would be wrong and we’re right ;)

With all seriousness though, we are Catholic because we know the catholic faith from the pre-schism church is already preserved and traditional in the Catholic Church. That’s why we are Catholic, not Orthodox, because we know they are wrong in their diagnosis of Church History.

It’s hard to honestly say there hasn’t been a substantial and visible change from the Church before and after Vatican II and the implementation of the Novus Ordo. Cause... there has been. That can’t be denied.. it is why we are traditionalist Catholics.

The Eastern Orthodox, even if you are a just a FSSP-kind of traditionalist (let’s have our small chapel of tradition inside the Cathedral of the Novus Ordo), are much more heretical then Sedevacantists. To really say Sedes are in a worse spot than the Orthos is just plainly wrong. I don’t think those in the NO are in a worse spot than the Orthos.
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R&R discussion - by Sword of St. Michael - 04-28-2021, 10:48 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 11:21 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Bataar - 04-28-2021, 02:43 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Adventus - 04-28-2021, 04:20 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 04:41 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 05:06 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 05:28 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Adventus - 04-28-2021, 05:41 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-28-2021, 04:49 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Sword of St. Michael - 04-29-2021, 10:30 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-29-2021, 11:33 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Sword of St. Michael - 04-29-2021, 03:36 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-29-2021, 04:26 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 07:09 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 08:00 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 07:21 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 10:37 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-29-2021, 08:01 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 10:47 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by lukeg03 - 04-29-2021, 01:55 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Justin Tertius - 04-29-2021, 02:00 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by jovan66102 - 04-29-2021, 02:04 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Bataar - 04-29-2021, 11:26 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-29-2021, 11:54 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Adventus - 04-29-2021, 02:01 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-29-2021, 11:26 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by jovan66102 - 04-29-2021, 04:35 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-29-2021, 04:50 PM



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