R&R discussion
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Quote:As you said in your next comment, Sedeprivationism, which I believe in and is not really a loophole, solves the issues you have with Sedevacantism. Totalism isn't reasonable, the Thesis is correct in its theological/philosophical background and its practical application to the present crisis.
I agree that sedeprivationalism is the most consistent position if one feels they must absolutely reject the mainstream church(I held that position for 8 years for a reason).  I would go further and agree with Bp. Sanborn and say that most Trads(the ones who see the mainstream church as dangerous in it's official teachings) are practically sedeprivationist.


It does a better job at reconciling post French revolution additudes towards the papacy to the modern crisis as well as preventing to Church from going extinct.

The problem is you still end up with a situation where the Church is held in suspense which is not supposed to happen.  

I'm not just talking about the Pope, we both know that's not really the problem.  

I just don't see how a situation where everyone legally designated to the bishopric is guilty of heresy and unable to actually function as a bishop doesn't equate to the Church defecting.

Quote:Yes I know that the Orthodox make the same argument for their own position. I know they're JUST as confident. But that doesn't help in the discussion now, does it? We have to test the claims, and I think Sede claims take well under fire.
Sure it helps the discussion.  Orthodoxy was just used to illustrate a point, you can swap Orthodoxy out for any group you like.


Sede claims haven't really been attacked from that many angles.  Most of those who have seriously responded to sedevacantism have done so from the R&R position.  Most write it off before ever seriously looking at it.  A vacuum can make any claim convincing.
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R&R discussion - by Sword of St. Michael - 04-28-2021, 10:48 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 11:21 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Bataar - 04-28-2021, 02:43 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Adventus - 04-28-2021, 04:20 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 04:41 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 05:06 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 05:28 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Adventus - 04-28-2021, 05:41 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-28-2021, 04:49 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Sword of St. Michael - 04-29-2021, 10:30 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-29-2021, 11:33 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Sword of St. Michael - 04-29-2021, 03:36 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-29-2021, 04:26 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 07:09 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 08:00 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 07:21 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 10:37 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-29-2021, 08:01 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 10:47 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by lukeg03 - 04-29-2021, 01:55 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Justin Tertius - 04-29-2021, 02:00 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by jovan66102 - 04-29-2021, 02:04 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Bataar - 04-29-2021, 11:26 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-29-2021, 11:54 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Adventus - 04-29-2021, 02:01 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-29-2021, 11:26 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by jovan66102 - 04-29-2021, 04:35 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-29-2021, 04:50 PM



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