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(04-29-2021, 01:55 AM)lukeg03 Wrote: So how does Sedevacantism deal with the indefectability of the Church? It seems like most iterations of the theory, if you will, posit that Leo XIII was the last Pope (or maybe Cardinal Siri?). Of course, at this point that would mean there are no validly appointed cardinals, and there is no way for a Pope to be validly instituted given the traditional means. It seems that this would make the institution of the Church not only defected but also defunct, which seems to violate the "gates of hell" promise in the Gospel. I've always wondered what sedevacantists think of this problem.
The true church still exists. Groups such as Catholic Restoration, CMRI, SSPV, etc are all part of the true church. I know there are more, but those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Granted, the true church is lacking a leader at the moment and we hope and pray that will change some day.

Maybe this is part of the Sedeprivationism platform, but this is how it was explained to me. The pope currently serves two roles. The head of the secular Vatican City State and the Vicar of Christ on Earth. Depending on the situation, he may only serve one of those roles. If a foreign power were to take over the state and the pope would have to leave, he would no longer be the head of that state, but he would still be the Vicar of Christ. Likewise, if the pope were to be a public, manifest heretic, he would still be the head of that state, but would not be the Vicar of Christ. This is the state we are currently in. As one of the legal duties of that state, the pope has to promote cardinals to ensure the succession continues. Those cardinals he creates are valid cardinals even if they are heretics themselves. When it comes time to elect a new pope, if those cardinals elect an orthodox man to be the next pope, then he will be a valid pope. If they elect a Francis II, he will not be valid and we will be in the same situation we're in now.
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R&R discussion - by Sword of St. Michael - 04-28-2021, 10:48 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 11:21 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Bataar - 04-28-2021, 02:43 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Adventus - 04-28-2021, 04:20 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 04:41 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 05:06 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 05:28 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Adventus - 04-28-2021, 05:41 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-28-2021, 04:49 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Sword of St. Michael - 04-29-2021, 10:30 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-29-2021, 11:33 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Sword of St. Michael - 04-29-2021, 03:36 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-29-2021, 04:26 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 07:09 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-28-2021, 08:00 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 07:21 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 10:37 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by Memories_in_Rain - 04-29-2021, 08:01 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-28-2021, 10:47 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by lukeg03 - 04-29-2021, 01:55 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Justin Tertius - 04-29-2021, 02:00 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by jovan66102 - 04-29-2021, 02:04 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Bataar - 04-29-2021, 11:26 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Marmot - 04-29-2021, 11:54 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by Adventus - 04-29-2021, 02:01 PM
RE: R&R discussion - by MacPasquale - 04-29-2021, 11:26 AM
RE: R&R discussion - by jovan66102 - 04-29-2021, 04:35 PM
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