Francis does not accept Cardinal Marx' resignation as Abp of Munich and Freising.
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Lettera del Santo Padre inviata in data odierna all’Em.mo Card. Reinhard Marx, 10.06.2021

Lettera del Santo Padre

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Lettera originale a firma del Santo Padre


Lettera del Santo Padre

Santa Marta, 10 de junio de 2021

Querido hermano,

ante todo gracias por tu coraje. Es un coraje cristiano que no teme la cruz, no teme anonadarse delante la tremenda realidad del pecado. Así lo hizo el Señor (Fil 2. 5-8). Es una gracia que el Señor te ha dado y veo que vos la querés asumir y custodiar para que dé fruto. Gracias.

Me decís que estás atravesando un momento de crisis, y no sólo vos sino también la Iglesia en Alemania lo está viviendo. Toda la Iglesia está en crisis a causa del asunto de los abusos; más aún, la Iglesia hoy no puede dar un paso adelante sin asumir esta crisis. La política del avestruz no lleva a nada, y la crisis tiene que ser asumida desde nuestra fe pascual. Los sociologismos, los psicologismos, no sirven. Asumir la crisis, personal y comunitariamente, es el único camino fecundo porque de una crisis no se sale solo sino en comunidad y además debemos tener en cuenta que de una crisis se sale o mejor o peor, pero nunca igual[1].

Me decís que desde el año pasado venís reflexionando: te pusiste en camino, buscando la voluntad de Dios con la decisión de aceptarla fuese cual fuese.

Estoy de acuerdo contigo en calificar de catástrofe la triste historia de los abusos sexuales y el modo de enfrentarlo que tomó la Iglesia hasta hace poco tiempo. Caer en la cuenta de esta hipocresía en el modo de vivir la fe es una gracia, es un primer paso que debemos dar. Tenemos que hacernos cargo de la historia, tanto personal como comunitariamente. No se puede permanecer indiferente delante de este crimen. Asumirlo supone ponerse en crisis.

No todos quieren aceptar esta realidad, pero es el único camino, porque hacer “propósitos” de cambio de vida sin “poner la carne sobre el asador” no conduce a nada. Las realidades personales, sociales e históricas son concretas y no deben asumirse con ideas; porque las ideas se discuten (y está bien que así sea) pero la realidad debe ser siempre asumida y discernida. Es verdad que las situaciones históricas han de ser interpretadas con la hermenéutica de la época en que sucedieron, pero esto no nos exime de hacernos cargo y asumirlas como historia del “pecado que nos asedia”. Por tanto, a mi juicio, cada Obispo de la Iglesia debe asumirlo y preguntarse ¿qué debo hacer delante de esta catástrofe?

El “mea culpa” delante a tantos errores históricos del pasado lo hemos hecho más de una vez ante muchas situaciones aunque personalmente no hayamos participado en esa coyuntura histórica. Y esta misma actitud es la que se nos pide hoy. Se nos pide una reforma, que – en este caso – no consiste en palabras sino en actitudes que tengan el coraje de ponerse en crisis, de asumir la realidad sea cual sea la consecuencia. Y toda reforma comienza por sí mismo. La reforma en la Iglesia la han hecho hombres y mujeres que no tuvieron miedo de entrar en crisis y dejarse reformar a sí mismos por el Señor. Es el único camino, de lo contrario no seremos más que “ideólogos de reformas” que no ponen en juego la propia carne.

El Señor no aceptó nunca hacer “la reforma” (permítaseme la expresión) ni con el proyecto fariseo o el saduceo o el zelote o el esenio. Sino que la hizo con su vida, con su historia, con su carne en la cruz. Y este es el camino, el que vos mismo, querido hermano, asumís al presentar la renuncia.

Bien decís en tu carta que a nada nos lleva sepultar el pasado. Los silencios, las omisiones, el dar demasiado peso al prestigio de las Instituciones sólo conducen al fracaso personal e histórico, y nos llevan a vivir con el peso de “tener esqueletos en el armario”, como reza el dicho.

Es urgente “ventilar” esta realidad de los abusos y de cómo procedió la Iglesia, y dejar que el Espíritu nos conduzca al desierto de la desolación, a la cruz y a la resurrección. Es camino del Espíritu el que hemos de seguir, y el punto de partida es la confesión humilde: nos hemos equivocado, hemos pecado. No nos salvarán las encuestas ni el poder de las instituciones. No nos salvará el prestigio de nuestra Iglesia que tiende a disimular sus pecados; no nos salvará ni el poder del dinero ni la opinión de los medios (tantas veces somos demasiado dependientes de ellos). Nos salvará abrir la puerta al Único que puede hacerlo y confesar nuestra desnudez: “he pecado”, “hemos pecado”… y llorar, y balbucear como podamos aquel “apártate de mi que soy un pecador”, herencia que el primer Papa dejó a los Papas y a los Obispos de la Iglesia. Y entonces sentiremos esa vergüenza sanadora que abre las puertas a la compasión y ternura del Señor que siempre nos está cercana. Como Iglesia debemos pedir la gracia de la vergüenza, y que el Señor nos salve de ser la prostituta desvergonzada de Ezequiel 16.

Me gusta como terminas la carta: “Continuaré con gusto a ser sacerdote y obispo de esta Iglesia y continuaré a empeñarme a nivel pastoral siempre y cuando lo retenga sensato y oportuno. Quisiera dedicar los años futuros de mi servicio en modo más intenso a la cura pastoral y empeñarme por una renovación espiritual de la Iglesia, como Usted incansablemente lo pide”

Y esta es mi respuesta, querido hermano. Continúa como lo propones pero como Arzobispo de Munchen und Freising. Y si te viene la tentación de pensar que, al confirmar tu misión y al no aceptar tu dimisión, este Obispo de Roma (hermano tuyo que te quiere) no te comprende, pensá en lo que sintió Pedro delante del Señor cuando, a su modo, le presentó la renuncia: “apártate de mi que soy un pecador”, y escuchá la respuesta: “pastorea a mis ovejas”.

Con fraterno afecto.

FRANCISCO

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[1] Existe el peligro de no aceptar la crisis y refugiarse en los conflictos, actitud que termina por asfixiar e impedir toda posible transformación. Porque la crisis posee un germen de esperanza, el conflicto - por el contrario - de desesperación; la crisis involucra… el conflicto - en cambio - nos enreda y provoca la actitud aséptica de Pilato: «Yo soy inocente de esta sangre. Es asunto de ustedes» (Mt. 27, 24)… que tanto mal nos ha hecho y nos hace.

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Francis does not accept Cardinal Marx' resignation as Abp of Munich and Freising.


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Lettera del Santo Padre inviata in data odierna all'Em.mo Card. Reinhard Marx, 10.06.2021


Original letter signed by the Holy Father


Lettera of the Holy Father

Santa Marta, June 10, 2021

Dear brother,

First of all thank you for your courage. It is a Christian courage that does not fear the cross, it does not fear annihilating itself before the tremendous reality of sin. This is what the Lord did (Phil 2. 5-8). It is a grace that the Lord has given you and I see that you want to assume and guard it so that it bears fruit. Thanks.

You tell me that you are going through a moment of crisis, and not only you but also the Church in Germany is experiencing it. The whole Church is in crisis because of the abuse issue; Furthermore, the Church today cannot take a step forward without assuming this crisis. The ostrich policy does not lead to anything, and the crisis has to be assumed from our Easter faith. Sociologisms, psychologisms, are useless. Assuming the crisis, personally and communally, is the only fruitful path because a crisis does not come out alone but in the community and we must also bear in mind that a crisis comes out better or worse, but never the same.[1] .

You tell me that since last year you have been reflecting: you set out, seeking God's will with the decision to accept it, whatever it was.

I agree with you in calling the sad history of sexual abuse and the way the Church dealt with it a catastrophe until recently. Realizing this hypocrisy in the way of living faith is a grace, it is a first step that we must take. We have to take ownership of history, both personally and as a community. You cannot remain indifferent in the face of this crime. Assuming it means putting yourself in crisis.

Not everyone wants to accept this reality, but it is the only way, because making life-changing “resolutions” without “putting the meat on the grill” leads nowhere. Personal, social and historical realities are concrete and should not be assumed with ideas; because ideas are discussed (and it is good that they are) but reality must always be assumed and discerned. It is true that historical situations have to be interpreted with the hermeneutics of the time in which they happened, but this does not exempt us from taking charge and assuming them as the history of the "sin that besets us." Therefore, in my opinion, each Bishop of the Church must assume it and ask himself what should I do in the face of this catastrophe?

We have done the "mea culpa" in the face of so many historical errors in the past more than once in many situations, although we have not personally participated in that historical situation. And this same attitude is what is being asked of us today. A reform is being asked of us , which - in this case - does not consist of words but of attitudes that have the courage to put themselves in crisis, to assume reality whatever the consequence. And all reform begins by itself. The reform in the Church has been done by men and women who were not afraid of going into crisis and allowing themselves to be reformed by the Lord. It is the only way, otherwise we will not be more than "reform ideologues" who do not put their own flesh at stake.

The Lord never agreed to do "the reform" (allow me the expression) neither with the Pharisee project or the Sadducee or the Zealot or the Essene. Rather, he made it with his life, with his history, with his flesh on the cross. And this is the path, the one that you yourself, dear brother, assume when you present your resignation.

You say well in your letter that burying the past does not lead us to anything. Silences, omissions, giving too much weight to the prestige of the Institutions only lead to personal and historical failure, and lead us to live with the weight of "having skeletons in the closet", as the saying goes.

It is urgent to “air out” this reality of the abuses and how the Church proceeded, and let the Spirit lead us to the desert of desolation, to the cross and to the resurrection. It is the way of the Spirit that we have to follow, and the starting point is humble confession: we have been wrong, we have sinned. Polls and the power of institutions will not save us. The prestige of our Church that tends to hide its sins will not save us; Neither the power of money nor the opinion of the media will save us (so often we are too dependent on them). It will save us to open the door to the Only One who can do it and confess our nakedness: "I have sinned", "we have sinned" ... and cry, and stammer as we can that "get away from me that I am a sinner", an inheritance that the first Pope left to the Popes and the Bishops of the Church. And then we will feel that healing shame that opens the doors to the compassion and tenderness of the Lord who is always close to us. As a Church we must ask for the grace of shame, and that the Lord save us from being the shameless prostitute of Ezekiel 16.

I like how you finish the letter: “I will continue with pleasure to be a priest and bishop of this Church and I will continue to commit myself at the pastoral level as long as I keep it sensible and timely. I would like to dedicate the future years of my service more intensely to pastoral care and to strive for a spiritual renewal of the Church, as you tirelessly ask ”

And this is my answer, dear brother. Continue as you propose but as Archbishop of Munchen und Freising. And if you are tempted to think that, by confirming your mission and not accepting your resignation, this Bishop of Rome (your brother who loves you) does not understand you, think about what Peter felt before the Lord when, in his own way , presented him with the resignation: "get away from me, I'm a sinner", and listen to the answer: "shepherd my sheep."

With brotherly affection.

FRANCISCO



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This was predictable.
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(06-10-2021, 11:58 AM)Bonaventure Wrote: This was predictable.
You called it.
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That’s a very resolute affirmation of the of the Cardinals mindset by the holy father… nothing better than getting a carte blanche from your boss when you reach out
"Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."  Matthew 9:10-14
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(06-10-2021, 01:50 PM)The Tax Collector Wrote: That’s a very resolute affirmation of the of the Cardinals mindset by the holy father… nothing better than getting a carte blanche from your boss when you reach out

This gives a green light to germany to proceed. What im waiting for is for germany to start to call for the ordination of women, have a few test ordinations happen, and the vatican just lets it go. May speak out on it, but wont excommunicate. Why should they in a sense when the status quo of communion is that its not for the saints, but those that are in need of healing. Thus, all the noise about the codification of excommunication of those that ordain women and excommunication fo the women involved will end up just being a pr stunt. Same thing with blessing homosexual relations. Vatican said dont, germany proceeded still, and nothing has come down from the vatican. Passive acceptance. It starts to beg the question, I know the church of Christ, the bridegroom of Jesus, can't teach error; is there though anything that says she can't propagate it? Ie, if all this comes to pass, the church in a sense acknowledges a heresy and gives it the green light to proceed. However, it dosent actually 'teach' this heresy. Thus, is that ok and is that an accepted truth of the church, that she can be the church, while accepting and in a sense promoting heresy, just as long as she dosent overtly teach it?
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I called it when the news of Cardinal Marxist's 'resignation' first broke.

Originally posted 04.06.21, 14:22

https://www.fisheaters.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=89616&pid=1457854#pid1457854

In my opinion, here's how it will play out. Marx offers his resignation. Francis refuses it, citing some puffery about his 'pastoral leadership'. Having cleared the decks, so to speak, Marx can return to steering the German Church onto the rocks of schism.

The reason I say this is that despite paying lip service to Catholic Dogma and the Unity of the Church, the Vatican has done NOTHING to stop the Germans. For example, where were the suspensions, excommunications and defrockings for the 'blessing' of pervert couples with the tacit approval of their Bishops, despite the Vatican's pretty words? Were they too busy making plans to abrogate SP?

I became convinced long ago that Francis's long term game plan is a hubristic desire to destroy the Church using 'synods' as the vehicle. He's the one who started talking about giving national synods more power and the Germans ran with it. Now, we're going to have a two-year preparation for a 'synod on synods'. Where will the Church in Germany be in two years time?
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This increases Cardinal Marx's influence enormously, both in Germany and beyond. He will be a formidable force in the next conclave, probably as kingmaker, but perhaps even as the next pontiff himself. And if not as pope, the as the man behind the next pope.

Expect the Traditionalist movement to be extirpated root and branch. He's not going to take any prisoners or spare the axe.
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