Marital Debt Question
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(07-17-2021, 06:24 PM)austenbosten Wrote: Yes but you are missing the forest for the trees.  If the husband was truly in danger of incontinence (unable to restrain sexual urges) then he wouldn't need a masturbatory aid such as pornography to engage in the sin of onanism.  The issue here isn't so much the wife refusing, but more that the husband has a problem with Lust and an addiction to pornography.

I'm not sure I'm missing anything. I addressed the question as asked. The hypothetical wife knew in advance that marital relations would have prevented her husband's sin. I think you're reading more into the question than was actually there, especially with respect to the issue of addiction. Many, many people quit porn cold turkey (without relapse or ill effect) once they realize that it will send them to hell. For many (perhaps even most) people, it's not an addiction. They just weren't taught about sin and hell.
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#22
(07-17-2021, 06:45 PM)ChairmanJoeAintMyPresident Wrote:
(07-17-2021, 06:24 PM)austenbosten Wrote: Yes but you are missing the forest for the trees.  If the husband was truly in danger of incontinence (unable to restrain sexual urges) then he wouldn't need a masturbatory aid such as pornography to engage in the sin of onanism.  The issue here isn't so much the wife refusing, but more that the husband has a problem with Lust and an addiction to pornography.

I'm not sure I'm missing anything.  I addressed the question as asked.  The hypothetical wife knew in advance that marital relations would have prevented her husband's sin.  I think you're reading more into the question than was actually there, especially with respect to the issue of addiction.  Many, many people quit porn cold turkey (without relapse or ill effect) once they realize that it will send them to hell.  For many (perhaps even most) people, it's not an addiction.  They just weren't taught about sin and hell.

A wife is not complicit in her husband's sin because he willfully engages in pornography and masturbation and does so whenever the wife doesn't feel like being a sex object for her husband's lust.

Also porn addiction is real and while some people are able to quit cold turkey like you say...they relapse a lot. Otherwise why else would porn be the #1 thing Googled?
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#23
(07-17-2021, 07:28 PM)austenbosten Wrote: A wife is not complicit in her husband's sin because he willfully engages in pornography and masturbation and does so whenever the wife doesn't feel like being a sex object for her husband's lust.

Also porn addiction is real and while some people are able to quit cold turkey like you say...they relapse a lot.  Otherwise why else would porn be the #1 thing Googled?

The majority of people are clueless. Are people who don't believe in the Real Presence addicted to their disbelief?

No, it's ignorance of the eternal consequences.
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#24
(07-17-2021, 11:32 AM)SacraCor714 Wrote: Speaking from personal experience, even if I am tired, or not in the mood, if I make an effort to please my husband during the act, I usually find myself enjoying it and getting in the mood rather quickly. 

To me, sex is like prayer or any other task we must do to please the Lord. Sometimes we are lazy and just don’t want to do it, but if we just jump in and get started, it becomes more easy and enjoyable.

That's the spirit.  I've heard that some wives play the old "lump on a log" routine in the hopes their husbands will abandon their enthusiastic efforts.  But a determined husband can make lemonade from lemons.
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(07-17-2021, 03:52 PM)austenbosten Wrote: From Prummer

Quote:860. 2. The obligation to render the marriage dues.
First Principle. As often as one of the parties asks reasonably and seriously for the rendering of the marriage dues , the other is bound injustice to accede to the request ; otherwise grape sin is committed.

Explanation. The request must be reasonable and serious.

The request is unreasonable if made in a state of drunkenness, or when one of the parties is seriously ill, or if the request is too frequent or causes scandal to others, or if the act is accompanied by the practice of onanism. — The request is not considered serious if made in the form of a desire rather than a definite will. — But if the request is reasonable and serious, then the other patty is obliged in justice to render the marriage debt under pain of grievous sin, as is evident a) from the words of St. Paul quoted above, and b ) from the nature of the marriage contract in which the right to sexual intercourse is handed over from one party to the other. This obligation of rendering the marriage dues, although of its nature serious since it is concerned with a grave matter stipulated in a just con- tract, does admit of minuteness of matter. Thus, if the wife were to refuse marital relations once or twice, awaiting a time more suitable to herself, she would not be guilty of grave sin — at least, if the husband is not thereby placed in proximate danger of incontinence or provoked to excessive anger.

Not sure what grape sin is, but does not sound good. Sin from eating an apple gave us death, cast out from Eden, child birthing pains etc, rather not want to find out what sin from a grape gives us.
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(07-23-2021, 11:39 AM)Sword of St. Michael Wrote: Not sure what grape sin is, but does not sound good.
You can read about it here:
Jeremias 31 Wrote:In those days they shall say no more: The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the teeth of the children are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that shall eat the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
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