What are conservative Novus Ordo Catholics?
(07-26-2021, 02:14 PM)ChairmanJoeAintMyPresident Wrote:
(07-26-2021, 02:03 PM)Sword of St. Michael Wrote: What should be the only real question is, is someone catholic or not?

More than 2/3 of Novus Ordo Catholics do not believe in the Real Presence.  So, 2/3 of the time, the answer is no.  Given that liberals are not 2/3 of the Church, this indicts even some of the "conservatives" you mention.

(07-26-2021, 02:03 PM)Sword of St. Michael Wrote: Who really cares if they go to the NO, or TLM, that alone is not going to dictate if you get to heaven or not.

99% of TLM-goers believe in the Real Presence, don't contracept, don't vote for pro-aborts, keep all of the precepts and moral teachings, etc.

You can debate whether the TLM produced their faith or their faith drove them to the TLM (chicken vs. egg), but the odds of salvation look a whole lot better than for the people who don't believe and don't follow the moral law.

(07-26-2021, 02:03 PM)Sword of St. Michael Wrote: did you faithfully love and serve God your whole life.

Protestants think they're doing this.  They think they're saved.  The reason they're wrong is the same reason why a pro-abort "Catholic" who doesn't believe in the Real Presence is also wrong.

Very true, but one can not both deny dogma and be a catholic. Thus, 2/3rds of people who claim to be catholic, aren't. Same situation would be if we had a large number of people show up to the tlm, pay lip service to it all, and then then go vote/act however they want (as was the case in america for many years). These people, if they reject dogmas of the faith, are outside the faith, and thus are not catholic. They can claim to be, just like all heretics claim to be the 'true catholics', but they are wrong.

The odds tend to be better, in my opinion, to be with those church's that take it seriously. This tends to be, by and large, those parishes that offer the TLM. Speaking for the western rite, not speaking for our eastern brothers. However, that does not change the fact that in the end, what mass you go to is secondary to getting heaven. The importance is whether one is catholic or not. That is the important designator here. How one stays catholic, what environment makes it easier to be catholic and raise their family catholic, that can all be debated between Catholics. What im bringing up is the splitting of, the creating of factions among Catholics, and the resulting 'you guys are to rigid to be catholic' or 'you guys are too compromising to be catholic' ness that has come from it.

Sure they think they are doing, same with pagans. And exactly true on why they are wrong, they are not catholic by rejecting dogmas of the faith, even openly.

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RE: What are conservative Novus Ordo Catholics? - by Sword of St. Michael - 07-26-2021, 02:33 PM

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